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| THREAD 30 NAME: Stephen Giles DATE: 31 December 2007 CONNECTION WITH QE: Inmate 1957 - 64 Does anyone know what happened to Pew (Martin?) Iller who was in the 6th form around 1964. He played superb rock n roll piano in our school band - The Konmen. Who else was in that band? Well, Dick Newton on vocals, Bruce Garvey on sax, Ned Calvert on guitar (he introduced me to making electric guitars!) and a few others I have long forgotten. VIEW 4 REPLIES
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| THREAD 29 NAME: Ian Sadler DATE: 14 August 2007 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1951 - 58 Some of your more ancient members (like me) will probably be sorry to hear that 'Alfie' (S. E. Alford), a master at the School (1947 through 1982) passed away on 5 August, following a stroke in early July. He was my first form master (1A) and in spite of his occasional yelling I found him a good teacher and reasonably fair minded. For those who might be in the area the funeral is at 2.30pm on Monday 20 August at St. Andrew's Methodist Church in Sholing, Southampton. Family flowers only but any donations in his memory, which will be divided between St. Andrew's Church and the National Children's Home, should be sent to Jonathan Terry (Undertaker), 101 Peartree Avenue, Bitterne, Southampton, Hants SO19 7JJ VIEW 2 REPLIES
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| THREAD 28 NAME: Anon DATE: 08 April 2007 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1969 - 73 QE was always something of a mystery to me - I arrived (into the 4th Form) just as the 1st forms were comprehensive and watched as the school tried to come to terms with its somewhat changed status. Some teachers and ALL the prefects still strutted their stuff in gowns and lines were given out for the slightest misdemeanor. There was an air of 'old school tie' and 'history' without any appreciation of the great change the School was actually going through. There were, however, some great characters amongst the teaching staff - Bernie Pinnock, Eric Shirley and Mr Carter, as well as some really sadistic bastards - Able Williams and Mr Thomas to name but two. And who will ever forget Mr 'Pansy' Patrick the music teacher, Mr Barnett the 1st ever economics teacher and marxist on the staff and Mr 'Gabby' Hayes who earned himself a half page obituary in The Times for his wartime exploits in the RAF during WWII. I look back with a mixture of nostalgia, loathing and despair at the 4 years I spent there and wonder whatever happened to others in my year. VIEW 6 REPLIES
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| THREAD 27 NAME: Michael Joyce DATE: 25 January 2007 CONNECTION WITH QE: Ancestral In 1875 my ancestor Samuel Joyce went to QEGS aged 11. He left in April 1881. In those days QE was in a building in Wood Street, I think. Does anyone have a photo of that building that they would be able to copy and let me have, please? This is for a biography of Samuel that I am currently writing. So far Hertford Archives and Local Studies have not been able to unearth a picture. VIEW 3 REPLIES
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| THREAD 26 NAME: Martyn Day DATE: 28 December 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1956-63 I finally went back to the School again in October 2006, after 43 years of absence. The visit came about as a result of meeting the headmaster John Marincowitz at the Rugby Match held in the summer in memory of Eric Shearley. I mentioned that I worked in television and Mr Marincowitz asked me if I would care to take part in the annual Careers Fair, giving what advice I could to the Greg Dykes of the future. It was very strange walking back into the school again after so many years, through that great wooden front door that once I had only been allowed to use on Founders' Day. The entrance seemed just the same although the bursar’s office has gone now – as has the old bursar. I remember her always being dressed from head to toe in hand knitted clothes! The rest seemed just the same, tiled corridors leading left and right covered with photographs of cricket elevens and rugby fifteens, gowned prefects and school captains all long gone. The classrooms seemed the same as well and in my mind still home to those men who once tried to educate me there - Jerry Read, Bernie Pinnock, BOP Wakelin, 'Frosty' Winter, Cox and Dilly and on and on. Whatever happened to them? The boys I eventually got to meet that evening also seemed just the same – just as polite, just as enthusiastic, just as funny, just as cheeky, just as confused and naïve as my own generation. The only difference was instead of endless white faces there is now a mix of Black and Asian faces too… and the place feels better because of it. I came away from that evening with a clear sense of closure. Although it seemed to be the same place where I spent 7 years of my young life I could see that I moved on and so has the school. There was also a profound sense of gratitude. That school made me what I am today; good or bad, and because of that there is a debt that I cannot pay. I urge everyone to go back and walk those long, memory laden corridors one more time. As Bob Dylan once said, "You can't know where you are going until you know where you've been." (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP | ||
| THREAD 25 NAME: Mike Carter DATE: 10 November 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: (very) old boy I think if push came to shove it would be hard to find any old boy of any school willing to admit they enjoyed their time at school. It is only with the passing of time that we start to look at our school days with some nostalgia (which isn't what it used to be) and no doubt through rose tinted spectacles. I cannot say I was aware of racism in my day but then we weren't aware of it as we are today. Name calling was always present as it is today but I think when you can look back over several decades then perhaps being at Queen Elizabeth's wasn't that bad after all. (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP | ||
| THREAD 24 NAME: Anon DATE: 12 September 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Former pupil I started late in QE i start late in year 9 and my other school was dubbed the worst ever school, but the facilities and teachers were much better, the teachers were more dedicated and caring and the facilities involved many computer rooms libraries sports stuff. (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP | ||
| THREAD 23 NAME: Stephen Giles DATE: 07 September 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Former inmate Who remembers music lessons with Dickie Whittington? I'm talking about the late fifties of course. We were subjected to hideous classical 78s, all carefully placed on the turntable by Jackson, his favourite - until one day he put on Rock Around the Clock instead!!! Dickie went absolutely crazy. He always called me a thundering (possibly fundering) nuisance. VIEW 8 REPLIES
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| THREAD 22 NAME: Ilai DATE: 06 September 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 2004-11 Hi every1 i am still at school and just was wondering if any of you guys new of any secrets about the school i did not know about. PS. BROUGHTON ROCKS VIEW 5 REPLIES
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| THREAD 21 NAME:Stephen Giles DATE: 16 August 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1957-64 Do they still have the same lines system at QE? I remember that I was given my first lines by Johnny Hoskison in a French lesson. There was almost an element of street cred after one had been given lines. In Underne House, Poker Pearce set the "house limit" for lines received in a term, which if exceeded would result in the cane. I also remember paying a boy to forge the entry on the top of lines paper to avoid a record in the lines book! VIEW 2 REPLIES
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| THREAD 20 NAME: Nigel Palmer DATE: 06 August 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954 - 1962. I can recommend Edward Blishen's autobiography Sorry Dad (Hamish Hamilton, 1978). Part 3 is a thinly disguised portrait of life at QE in the 1930s. The names are changed but not much - QE is "Queens", Barnet is "Barton". 1930s may sound like ancient history but it could be a description of QE as I knew it in the 50s (and later?), especially the cruelty and the snobbery. The first couple of years he was there were in the old building in Wood Street. And "Sandy Spring" is clearly "Frosty" Winter as a young man. Out of print, of course, but available via Amazon, etc., or though your local library. VIEW 1 REPLY
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| THREAD 19 NAME: John Bibby DATE: 31 May 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1955 - 1959. Reunion, anyone? Rivetting memories, guys! I can't believe the place was as bad as we make it out to be ... otherwise how could we be such sane, upstanding individuals? :) I'd lie to meet up with my contemporaries - it's just over 50 years since I first went there, and won't be around for much longer! VIEW 2 REPLIES
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| THREAD 18 NAME: George Christopher DATE: 09 May 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1977 - 1982. Sorry to disagree with most of the threads, but I look back on my time at QEBS with fondness, even if I did get into a hell of a lot of trouble whilst there. I suppose the fact I enjoyed all the sports activities helped but it was never really that bad, as I remember. Were any of you who are reading this at QEBS at the same time as me? Did you go on the school trip to Russia that turned into one vast drinking trip? What about the annual rugby trip / tours to Wales? Come on guys, put your rose coloured specs on and remember the good times, not just the bad.... (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP | ||
| THREAD 17 NAME: Anon DATE: 01 April 2006 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 2000 - 2005. You know what? QE wasn't that bad. The cross-country runs, the muddy rugby games that I pretended to take part in, the mouldy swimming pool, whatever. I sit here, living out my rock'n'roll fantasy life better than I could ever imagine, and yet I regret quitting after GCSEs. Without naming names, we got to watch porn in certain classes over the projector. We learned about the differences between tripping on DXM vs Codeine, the most efficient way to make a bong and how to synthesise meth. I can safely say I did f*** all work for five years, especially when compared to the amount I'm supposed to be doing this year. But there it is I guess, the QE entrance exam was non-verbal reasoning which I aced, and I was able to coast for five years. I dunno. Also, going to a Sixth Form with no real dress code actually makes you appreciate how easy, smart and useful wearing suits is. Sure the rules may have been too tight in parts (no hair below the collar), but we got away with so much shit. Class A drugs had been dealt out of the lockers, cigarettes were smoked pretty much anywhere on site that we dared. For most of Year 11 half the year was stoned or drunk every day. Not to mention the blatantly racist, violent confrontations that took place pretty much every day (I probably ended up saying "Paki" more than Yes Sir" by the end of it). I dunno, mixed reactions. Nostalgia. VIEW 2 REPLIES
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| THREAD 16 NAME: Danny Keogh DATE: 17 October 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1992 - 1999. Whilst there are mixed feelings toward the school, I simply wish to pass on the following information. It is high unlikely that anyone who went to QE will not have a memory of Eric Shearly. He did after all have an active connection with the school for over 75 years. There will be a Rugby match in memory of him on Sunday 20th November at the School, kick-off early afternoon, probably 1.00pm. I am informed by Uncle Maughan that the match itself will be a staff v. pupils games, former and serving teachers, pupils from any time period. (Playing is not compulsory). There will be a lunch of some description after the game. For more details email me. VIEW 9 REPLIES
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| THREAD 15 NAME: Anon DATE: 16 October 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Present 6th-form pupil. I go to QE now and it was really interesting hearing about how it was back in the 50's on your personal website Vic. I can officially say...it has not changed much!!! (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP |
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| THREAD 14 NAME: John MacConochie DATE: 01 October 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil, 1955. I wonder if anyone remembers me? I started at QE school Autumn 1955 but was quickly expelled by Christmas the same year, then was sent to Clark's College, Finchley, but left by the back toilet window. Was recaptured and flung into the black hole of Elizabeth Allen School for young malcontents. GOD! How your well written words on your personal website bring back so much of the hateful "Brick in the Wall" mentality that made the British educational system of our generation so deliberately dark. Thanks for the memory. VIEW 1 REPLY
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| THREAD 13 NAME: Stephen Giles DATE: 27 September 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil, 1957-64 I was amazed to see the picture on Dave Selway- Hoskin's website of the staff at QE in 1961. At last I can put a face to all those characters I have often spoken about to my wife, who went to Northlands, still one of the top schools in Buenos Aires. I wonder how many of those teachers are still alive? I would imagine that few of them would last 5 minutes in the current regime of political correctness and racial equality! I would be interested to hear from any OE's who remember me from that time. I'm still playing guitar 40 years on, in fact I remember doing gigs during my A-levels which I failed miserably. VIEW 5 REPLIES
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| THREAD 12 NAME: Stephen Giles DATE: 27 September 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil, 1957-64 Hi, Vic. It was fascinating to read your description of the time you spent at QE Boys on your personal website. I was there from 1957 to 1964, so we overlapped slightly. I was in Underne House with Poker Pearce as housemaster. Alfie was my first form master in 1957. Other memories - Eric Shearley yelling from one end of the corridor to the other; School Captain Fyler - a particularly sadistic specimen, the fat geography master and of course Ernie Jenkins with his "half term reports". VIEW 18 REPLIES
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| THREAD 11 NAME: Fred DATE: 08 September 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil, 1972-79 Like many others, I hated the place and it hated me. Even though it had recently gone comp there was still the ridiculous pseudo public school air about it. Took me several years to recover from the experience. I've often wished they would, by some weird circumstance, invite me to the school for some reason so I could tell them to get stuffed! (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP |
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| THREAD 10 NAME: Anon DATE: 20 May 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Current student, Leicester House I'm in year 7 and I've been at the school for just 9 months. It's alright and the sports are alright. (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP |
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| THREAD 9 NAME: Anon DATE: 02 May 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Current Sixth Form student QE today.... Well, I can tell you this. Our school has the highest teacher turnover on record and as a result, boys aren't doing as well as they should do. Reasons: 1) Staff are using our school as a stepping stone to gain a reputation and then be hired by an independent school. 2) Some staff believe the school's way of dealing with staff is incorrect. The draconian system that exists in QE has only been doubled by the fact that all the playgrounds are shared by two year groups. However, I have to object to the idea that our school has a negative effect on us. That is not true! It has recognized its failings and has improved considerably and has set to do so. Teaching is so much more diverse and interactive and I am sure the boys would prefer this to the alternative that OE's have mentioned here on this forum. Quite a lot of you dislike vehemently the senior management. However, I feel they are instilling a sense of discipline that is ebbing away at a fast rate in our society. And to the person who said QE is trying to be a private school - it is NOT! You know the funding our school receives, and that it is nothing compared to other schools. You should also know, that even in these harsh conditions, QE is actively providing resources comparable to independent schools. If you think you could have gone to a local comprehensive school and got the same amount of resources, think again! OEs and QEs, some of you undervalue this school's importance in giving us a standing in education, society and in life. VIEW 23 REPLIES
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| THREAD 8 NAME: Martyn "Daisy" Day DATE: 02 April 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil (Leicester House) 1955-63 It wasn't a totally happy time for me - the six day week, the red bathing slips, the compulsory rugby, the standing on a sun drenched field waiting to say adsum for old Jenkins, the Latin, the detentions, the incipient snobbery blah blah - but when I think back, surprisingly it is only the happy memories that come through. The informal guitar sessions in the hall at lunch time, Mr Wingfield's stories about how it felt to be shot - and he showed us the wound, how Mr Hoskins' (Hopkins?) crepe soled brothel creepers squelched when he returned from swimming lessons, the last day of Christmas term when some wag trampled the word "mojo" in the snow outside the school and nobody knew what it meant. Eventually Mr Reid decided it meant "Negro love amulet!" Years later standing high on a ridge in the Andes I suddenly realised that I knew that the valley beneath my feet was glacial because Mr Dilly had told me so and the forest within it was an equatorial rain forest because he had told me that too. Then it struck me that everything I knew and valued and loved - music, books, films, humanity, everything, was because a group of men had taken the trouble to show them to me and tell me they were worth appreciating. Queen Elizabeth's might have been weird but in retrospect it was worth it. (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP |
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| THREAD 7 NAME: Anon DATE: 30 March 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1990s "In reality, from my first to my last day at Queen Elizabeth's, I experienced the place as a vile prison full of nothing but nastiness, stupidity, ignorance and pettiness. It seemed to me to be a very clear example of how the world should definitely not be." [He's quoting me from a page of my personal website - webmaster]. That pretty much sums up my experience of attending this hell-hole in the 90s, I can honestly say that QE was the worst five years of my existence. I always had, and still have, the feeling that QE was far more concerned about its league position and image rather than actually educating and inspiring pupils to achieve anything significant. I hated every second of it, from the very first day when (then headmaster) Eammon Harris humiliated a boy in the opening day assembly for the heinous crime of wearing a white shirt, through to the very last day when my friend and I were sent back to school for detention having been caught by Eric Houston and one of his prefect stooges on their routine drive around Barnet. Our crime? standing in my friend's front garden at 4pm wearing t-shirts instead of uniform. I also hated the embarrassment and humiliation which a lot of us had to put up with from our 'rivals' at Ravenscroft, East Barnet etc due to the school's insistence that we carry briefcases because QE is a school for 'gentlemen'. Obviously not in touch with the mindset of the teenage boy. Their idea: we look like upstanding respectable young boys. Everyone else's idea: we look like excellent targets for abuse. I also, like many, hated the fact that unless one was exceptionally academically inclined or good at sport, you were at best ignored, or otherwise vilified by the staff and sports boys Needless to say, the vast majority of those sports boys I knew are now a bunch of fat, coarse "I'm a real geezer" lager louts who all still live in Barnet and still dish out verbal abuse to other ex-pupils they might spot, despite having left school TEN YEARS AGO. I pity anyone who is unfortunate enough to attend the school now, I don't know if things have changed, but judging by what I read and hear, it was just as bad before I went and continues to be so. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I will be back. For the record, the other house was Pearce (purple tie). VIEW 3 REPLIES
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| THREAD 6 NAME: Orlando Nelthorpe DATE: 1 March 2005 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1969-71 Put me out of my misery. I've been trying to think of the fourth house at QE. There was Leicester, Holyrood, Stapylton and...??? I was a Leicester boy. And which colours were for which (I remember Leicester was yellow!) VIEW 10 REPLIES
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| THREAD 5 NAME: Anon DATE: 12 November 2004 CONNECTION WITH QE: Present pupil I am a pupil at QE right now, in year 9 in Leicester House. Believe me, you do not want to be at the school right now because it is a nightmare. There is a lot of racism towards other races, and even though you cannot be caned, humiliation is just as bad. Probably the most racist teacher in the school is ----------. Hope this has provided you with an insight into the school today. VIEW 6 REPLIES
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| THREAD 4 NAME: David Selway-Hoskin DATE: 20 October 2004 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1950s I have slowly been re-establishing contact with school friends, partly through your site and partly via my own website. To the latter I have added a few QE photos although not having a camera at the time, I do not have many images of my school days. You [the webmaster] were in Stapylton but you will know many of the faces in a Leicester house photo I have just put on my website. You are correct about my acting ability, a debut as Calpurnia in JC was a false start to a non-career move. I think I was only picked because my voice broke fairly late. [see notes about the former school mag ]. Despite the bad times as a non-sporting pupil, I have to say that the School had a good effect on my career. Through a contact of Ken Carter's I secured an engineering apprenticeship at Rolls-Royce which stood me in good stead through my engineering career. VIEW 1 REPLY
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THREAD 3 NAME: Terry Greenham DATE: 25 September 2004 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-60(?) I know that I only ever stayed at the school because, as a boy from a council house my family were so pleased and proud that I had made it to QE. I recall that I was fearful that somehow my home address and my Dad's job (he was a postman) would be found out by some of the others and I would be ridiculed. I think that I got better at becoming a malingerer after the third form and the last part of my time at the school was a bit more bearable. Mind you for many years I carried a strong desire to go back and get even with 'Tiger' Timpson for the times he gave me the cane. I can remember that you [i.e. the webmaster] used to have an ability in Latin that was far in excess of any interest that I managed to maintain. I still have no idea about the ablative absolute but due to Mr Whitely's intense belief in teaching by rote I can still decline bonus, so long as nobody is listening too carefully. I always remember that Mr Whitely used to be in charge of the 'pound' and we used to have to pay a penny to redeem lost items (that was of course if you couldn't wriggle said lost item, or one similar, out through the wire mesh of the pound's basket). Some wag said that MrWhitely's motto was to "take care of the pennies and the pound would take care of itself". I always thought that was clever. Our other Latin teacher was, of course, 'Winkie' Wingfield who was susceptible to the odd 'red herring' about Roman warfare which could often allow one an opportunity during his period to get on with uncompleted homework. Many. many years later over here in NZ I heard a radio play by a Rex Wingfield and I made contact to check if it was the same 'Winkie' that I knew, but it turned out to be another author of the same name. Another teacher who believed in the 'rote' method was 'Johnny' Hoskins/ Hoskinson (?) who taught French. Again I can still remember some parts of a passage he made us learn. It started "Il y a trois semaine j'etais en train d'ecoute la radio" or words to that effect. As I the names come into my head. I am thinking now of 'Dickie' Whittington (music teacher extraodinaire). 'Dickie' used to sit on a wooden chair and he had the habit of holding on to the chair as he walked sort of duck fashion from his desk to the record player. I remember one day when one of the class put a drawing pin on his chair before the music lesson started and didn't have time to retrieve it before Dickie entered the room. Dickie, quite a large man, came in and we sat in trepidation as he took his seat. He sat down and nothing happened! Dickie used to give us tests where we had to determine, or perhaps guess, the notes and the length of the notes, he was playing on the piano. The last note was always 'doh', always 'four', and always the only one I ever got right. The music room doubled as the art room where I recall being taught by a Mr Purches. 'Frosty' (Mr Winter) of course was charged with imparting his knowledge of history. One day he suddenly decided on a history test. The unexpected swiftness of this decision denied any opportunity to prepare cheat notes and I managed only to write my name and the date on the top of the paper. I had absolutely no idea what the questions were about. 'Frosty' had a penchant for pulling the short hairs on the back of your neck, those short hairs having been sculpted by the deft hands of 'dribbling Tom' of the hair salon down the alley behind Flaxmans in the High Street. Those of you who had the misfortune to be a customer of 'dribbling Tom', will know he got his name due to his propensity to dribble down and off the end of his pipe as he cut hair. VIEW 1 REPLY
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THREAD 2 NAME: Nigel Palmer DATE: 24 September 2004 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-62 I started at QE in 1954 (50 years ago!) in Form 1B - room T - form master Ken Carter. Peg no. 148 ( stamped on my kitbag ). Much of the teaching consisted of the master reading from a textbook or making the class repeat paradigms by rote. I remember Ernie Jenkins (headmaster), Bernie Pinnock, Jack Covington, 'Poker' Pearce, 'Frosty' Winter, 'Sam' Cocks and 'Tiger' Timson. Old Mayes was the caretaker and he had an assistant, Sam. Random memories: playing rugby on the Gun Field, picking stones out of my face after being tackled; shouting "School!" when supporting the First XV; wearing a red slip as a non-swimmer ( to pass the test we had to jump in at the deep end and swim a length). Early friends were Vic Coughtrey, Tony Bolden, Jim Gurnett, Brian Hond and Arnold Segal. Then later, Chris Martin and Gerry Hunt, when we were compelled to take classics, despite all protests to the contrary. There was an underground magazine in the 6th form - the Isotope. My career, after Exeter University, has been as a Librarian Institute of Classical Studies, London Zoo, Health Education Council and (for 30 years) St.Mary's Hospital Medical School. I'm retired now, but still running half marathons, playing tennis and badminton, watching Spurs and following the Royal Shakespeare Company. (NO REPLIES YET) RETURN TO TOP |
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THREAD 1 NAME: John Bibby DATE: 31 August 2004 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1955-59 Thanks Vic for putting this site up. I found your personal site rivettingly good. It certainly reinforced my NEGATIVE memories of QEBS (stuffy, bullying, trying-to-be-posh-but-not-quite-making- it). After leaving QEBS for Hull, I went to a distinctly un-posh mixed grammar, where I was much happier, and FLOWERED and SUCCEEDED. (I was always mid-range at QEBS, yet the Hull school got me to Cambridge so QEBS can not have been all bad!) Among POSITIVE memories of QEBS are some good friends (Nick Pollard who died recently, and others I have not seen since 1959 - I'd love to hear from Harry Johnstone, the Sinclairs, Tim Dunningham, Peter Connor, Andy Smith, Jim Bradford, Edward Millar, Stuart Quin and anyone else who remembers me). VIEW 2 REPLIES
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